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Why do cars get the right of way everywhere?

I don't cycle in london but i want. Its too dangerous .

What can i do?

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    Take a look at TfL transport site

    And order a cycle map to find safe routes

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    get a cycle training lesson

    www.cycletraining.co.uk

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    Nag the powers-that-be...

    If there's one particular route that you'd do most days, and you can't find a safe way on the TfL page or map, you might have to write to Boris and get something done about it! There are loads of cycle campaign groups (CTC, Sustrans, Transport2000 etc) you can join even if you never go anywhere near a bike (yet) in real life, they're all busy campaigning for safer cycle routes.

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    Do some reading

    Have a look at http://cyclechat.co.uk - lots of friendly people there with helpful advice. Lots of them already cycle in London.



    Read a book called Cyclecraft by John Franklin. It has lots of advice for beginners and more experienced cyclists

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    a bike has just as much 'right of way' as the cars do

    The TFL journeyplanner mentioned above is here - if you tick the 'cycle route' option, it will work out a route that uses back streets rather than main roads where possible. This can mean that remembering the route it gives you can be tricky. The route maps mentioned are here

    I cycle a lot in London. In general it's good to remember that cars - and the bigger things - will do anything they can to avoid cyclists, as hitting one is a major hassle! Obviously that doesn't mean it never happens. The best ways I can suggest to make cycling less dangerous are:

    - ride confidently: do whatever practice you need to off the main road, so that you feel completely in control of brakes, gears, stopping quickly, swerving to avoid something and going through narrow gaps without wobbling.

    - make sure you're as visible as possible, both day and night, by wearing bright or flourescent things, having decent lights: if a driver sees you, they'll do everything not to hit you.

    - keep your bike well maintained, particularly: brakes, tire pressure, gears

    - know that you have as much right to the whole width of the road as a car does if you need it. For sure don't take liberties with this, but when necessary, hold your ground, and don't be put off by someone honking a horn. 

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    get the bike tube on Fridays

    Yesterday (Friday) I went on the first bike tube of several that are going to happen every Friday for the next few weeks. You meet at a certain place (there are 6 in total) around London and cycle into central London as a group.

    Most people were on their way to work (we left at 8am) but I went just to suss out the route and practice cycling into the centre.

    See here for more details:

    http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/cycling/12293.aspx

    good luck!

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    Be visible

    Research shows that drivers give you a bigger berth if you (a) don't wear a helmet and (b) are female.  I'd suggest you get a large (preferably blonde, curly) wig and fix it over the outside of your helmet.  Also wear something bright, not just so driver's see you earlier (before the mobile rings) - Peter Cech the Chelsea goalkeeper wears a lurid jumper allegedly because it makes him look bigger.

    Secondly, if you know someone who cycles the route(s) you use most, or is prepared to go with you anyway, persuade them to accompany you a couple of times.  Most people have a lot of skills they don't even realise they've absorbed, and you will pick up a lot of tips on avoiding trouble and keeping safe which should give you more confidence.

    They are probably illegal, but large curved knives on your axles would make any motorist worry about their paintwork.  Less extreme are those orange arms with reflectors on that stick out into the traffic - which also have the potential to scratch if cars get too close.

    It's generally better to keep away from the kerb.  At all costs avoid being on hte inside of a lorry approaching a left hand turn.

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    Who needs roads?

    London roads are a bit of a nightmare, so stay off them.   Ride in parks where legal - Richmond Park is my preferred riding spot as a mountain biker, but roadies abound there too.
    Alternatively, London has lots of canals and rivers.  Canals and rivers have towpaths.  Towpaths tend to be flat and well maintained (especially if Sustrans have got their hands on them!) and actually link useful/interesting places.  Call British Waterways and ask for a towpath permit (no-one will EVER ask to see it, but it looks cool in your wallet!) which is free, and get stuck in.
    If you HAVE to use roads, the key point is be confident, but not over-confident.  Stop at red lights, signal when you turn and ALWAYS wear a helmet.  Nothing will shorten a cyclists life expectancy more than being a pain to other road users.  One thing that will really wind up a car/van/bus driver is a cyclist acting like a pillock.  Ride a bike as if you where in a car, and treat everyone else as a potential idiot.
    Hope that helps!

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    CarFree Cities and Subsidised cycle training

    Some boroughs (like Lambeth) subsidise cycle training. For 8 quid you can get as many lessons as you need to get confident cycling on the road. I'm still too scared to do big roads though :(

    Another angle would be to look into the Carfree Cities org and start campaigning to get the cars off the road! :)

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    Cycle training and visibility

    I only learned to ride (via local authority cycle trainers) a year ago, and had the advantage of learning on the roads almost from day one. If you're worried about cycling, go and do your level 2 or 3 training course in your own or a neighbouring authority, and get the trainers to help you plan some routes, because they probably know lots of useful short cuts down quiet streets that you don't. Also, TfL produce great cycle maps you could try, they are free and available anywhere, incl their website.
    As  others have said, visibility is key, don't understimate how important it is not to weave in out of parked cars, not to cycle within a metre of the kerb and to most definitely act like you are confident, know where you're going and have a right to be there. I would also suggest investing in a great horn or bell, something really loud to "parp" in the ear of a misebehaving driver who hasn't seen you!

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    Cycle training works!

    There are oraganisations like this all over the country

    www.cycletraining.co.uk

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    London Cycle day

    On the 20th Sept is London skyride day where a number of roads are closed and experienced cyclists lead people on bikes to the centre. It gives you a chance to practice and also the support of other cyclists. It is an excellent day and you will be able to pick up cycle maps and other info and tips.

    Good luck.

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    Training

    Lots of really good things said here already, so without repeating them too much, I really recommend the cycle training. Don't think anyone has yet mentioned that many councils subsidise it, so it's free! I did it, for the exact same reason for your worry, and they cater to all different levels - my trainer was friendly, made me feel a lot more confident about rules of the road and rights for cyclists and it's made a huge difference. You'll find out you've got every bit as much right as a car to be on the road, you just have to communicate clearly with drivers and keep visible at all times. The open road awaits!

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    Go to Amsterdam!

    Not a practical solution but it does make an impression as - especially in the central part- cyclists seem to have more right of way that even pedestrians! Let alone cars/trams/scooters!

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    I notice they do when I cycling down a main road.  So many motorists think they have the right to cut across me turning right when coming from the other direction.

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    they are trying to kill you

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    I know - what a nightmare! Now on the sea, powered craft must give way to sail etc. Why can't we have a rule like that for the road? That way, pedestrians would come first, bikes next and cars etc last. Mmmwwahahaha.

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    I think the problem is a lack of common courtesy, awareness or both.

    I ride a wee 125cc bike.  I do too many miles to cycle and a 125cc engine is way smaller than any car I could have.  But people do think you are, therefore, indispensable.  It's infuriating!  I find cars the worst offenders - but why are drivers looking solely for cars or vehicles bigger than themselves?  Look at the variation we have on the road! 

    Accidents will happen, but I could never forgive myself if I hit a cyclist!  Or worse!  A pedestrian!  (The least protected after all!)

    Turn the flaming radio down, stop chatting and LOOK at what you're doing and where you're going!!  They could seriously injure someone significantly more vulnerable than themselves.  Could you cope with that on your conscience??


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    I hate this too. I am an angry pedestrian. I have perpetual roadrage...which is hilarious because I am walking everywhere. But seriously, I have gotten so sick of cars stopping on MY crosswalk (told you--road rage), or turning when I am in the middle of crossing the street, the list goes on. It's the reason I don't bicycle: I am terrified of what would happen once I am off the curb (I seriously admire you cyclists, by the way).

    Personally...I act like a jerk back. Probably doesn't help. I do rude things like pointedly examine the license plate of the car that has blocked the crosswalk, give the driver the hairy eyeball, start scribbling on a piece of paper while glancing in their direction...I have only ever actually reported someone once, and that because they came within inches of bumper kissing me when I had the right of way.

    The only other non-jerk things to do include getting in touch with your local politician(s), make some noise (VOTE!!), things like that. Unfortunately, it's the people with the big hats who get to decide what's important enough to change...unless we little-hats push them hard enough, they don't do squat.

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